Mitsuwo León, Medicine Man-Hombre Medicina

Sacred Union Interview in ENG/ESP

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September 18, 2022

J: Who were you before you met Vero?

M: In that present, I was living in solitude (soledad), age of sun (sol).

There was a glow from attending my processes. There was a tranquility within me, I was perfecting methods, studies, trainings. I was well focused on my own. However, as time went by a part of me was being consumed, sadness arrived, I did feel lonely, I missed that warmth, that affection, I wanted to find a companion, intimacy, a friend, to open up. Because obviously being of service, or being with the learning of the plants was something outward, to support someone else, or also to feed myself inwardly. It wasn't something that opened up my deeper feelings.

I remember that the two-year period of being alone came to an end. Between trips, portals and so on, one day I arrived in Pisac with my brother who had firmly decided to close the medical center in Cuzco and move it here to Maska. We stayed in a hotel in Pisac, we had already paid the rent of the house. And suddenly the lady tells us "You can not spend such a date, wait one more week". So we stayed in a lodge in Pisac.

One day I went out to the courtyard unexpectedly, I saw that my brother was attending someone, I moved aside because I felt the impulse to pray and as I remember it, I began flowing:

"Great Spirit, if somewhere in the world there is someone for me, remind her that here I am waiting for her, may she be well and may it be as it has to be because if in the end I have to stay alone on this path so I will do it. I will continue to serve, of that there is no doubt, however, if there is a companion for me, please, give her a little push, that here is a man waiting for her."

Peace infused me, I let go of the prayer and didn’t think about it again.

Three days passed during which I continued doing my thing, joking and making music with my brother in Pisac, we were in the lodge when he tells me, "Mitsu I was in Cusco walking through the center near the Coricancha and I saw across the street two girls that caught my attention, I saw their brightness, their magic and I crossed." He told me that they hung out, they didn't speak much Spanish, he made music with them and invited them to come here. "They are coming tomorrow morning," he told me. He even jokingly said, "One of them I'm sure is going to connect with you." Wow. We joked.

When we woke up the next morning, after a while we were already joking and laughing in bed; then there was a knock on the door at 8 o'clock in the morning, obviously we had lost consciousness of time. We were silent, I slowly stretched out like a cat and with my hair all standing and messy, still in my pajamas, I decided to open the door just as I was.

I will never forget that moment around her, when we had that first look, a whirlpool of worlds spinning and enveloping her, an infinity of spirals, many things occurred in that first look. She all serious went straight to the point and said, "I came to look for Fito, is he here?" "Yes he is here" I said. And immediately she told me that her friend had been sick to her stomach and that she came alone.

The thread of destiny ceased to be a prophecy, because well the prayer was now being fulfilled. Obviously I didn't know it at the time, I say this from my current perception. Since it was just the three of us sharing that encounter, it was real, transparent and sincere. We walked up the path of the archaeological park of Pisac. We made music, then my brother and I blew rapé (snuff: sacred tobacco powder). She watched, asked questions, wrote, and seemed to show no interest in the plants. Until I, to break the ice, said to her "Can I ask you a favor, could you blow me a snuff?" She looked at me fixedly and in spite of her perplexity I noticed a hint of curiosity so I went ahead to explain to her what it was all about. That was the first snuff blow I had ever received from someone that had never blown before. She blew the snuff very sweetly and I saw that this allowed her to open up because she saw that she too had the capacity to give, and to participate. When we came down the mountain, my brother was in the front, she was in the middle, I was in the back and I don't know why my thoughts were this: who is this girl, what has she experienced? I looked at her with a curiosity totally detached from desire or to engage in something, I was simply interested that she was in peace and well cared for.

So the three of us arrived again in the center of Pisac, entering the corner of movement, my brother out of nowhere said, "Mitsu a favor, I have to go buy urgent things to cook this week." Suddenly he leaves, disappears and leaves me alone with her. I accompanied her to the bus stop and it was the first time I was shocked by what I was feeling. The bus stop was a block away, but it seemed like an eternal stretch because I felt an inexplicable sadness as I watched this woman leave, even though I didn't know her. I knew nothing about her, I barely knew her name. So I let her go but I was left with that feeling of not being able to describe everything that had happened. Then I let it go.

Finally a week later she came to the house, we hung out in the backyard with a little fire, my brother blew her her first snuff. I remember it was deep, she felt bad, sweat a lot, and couldn't land from the experience. So I gave her a massage, I waist bandaged her and helped her breathe. At a certain point when she had recovered and felt relieved, I saw the first smile she gave me in gratitude. Later and little by little she began to come every weekend. It was very strange, because she and my brother in that first meeting in Cuzco had connected. But when they both came the following weekend here to the house, it was the other way around, because suddenly my brother made a connection with her friend and I connected with Vero. And it's funny that my brother is tall and this friend is also tall, Vero and I are exactly the same size, so obviously as if by nature, we knew it was the other way around when the situation was rearranged.

What I felt in these months that we started to hang out, to go out as boyfriend and girlfriend, is that she brought order to my life. She brought beauty, sweetness and also brought the power to discover in myself the real being, so much so that those first three months, she just accompanied without taking medicine, observing all the cases of the people who were here in their treatment process.

I felt the energy of the North in her when she told me the following, "Never forget yourself. Do whatever you want but never forget about you." That message came at a crucial time and I received it as coming from a grandmother because it was true in itself. I was so involved in the service that I was not eating or sleeping well. I received, I listened, I interpreted it and I said "It's true what she tells me, what a good reflection." I could not argue, nor appeal with reason. Her wisdom to how she lived was precious, there was no need for her to enter my world to know my heart, she didn't have to do much, just look. With her simplicity, I adored her.

I also recognize the detachment I had with her, well at that time I discovered that I enjoyed being very close to people because only in that way I could understand how their heart was and thanks to that, I could help them discover the things hidden in the nature of their being. However, with her it was different, I had to move totally differently than with other ex-partners, because I saw her once a week, so with her I had to be patient.

The frequency was very gentle, everything slowly. I felt that she was totally different from any other woman I had met. Because of the name, because of where she came from and especially because I later confirmed that I had been in relationships of process or relationships of healing but only now was I in a cosmic relationship, a call of destiny, a river coming to the sea, a blessing, a gift. Also I had forgotten that Grandma Ayahuasca had told me, "You will recognize her by the color of her eyes and by her voice."

Getting to the point, before her everything had been so crazy, I always looked for more and more. Constantly wanting to feel like the king of the world, seeking to transcend the unknown. I enjoyed the intensity of the looseness, the curiosity of the cat. But when she came along she grounded me, she shaped my idea of living. She enraptured the whole picture I had. That also made the ceremonies, the path, the medicines have a balance. The polarities, because it is precisely a couple at the altar that makes a ceremony neither too hard nor too emotional. There were the two energies. I can describe it on a physical level. A crystal quartz and obsidian together in the same place.

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J: Two questions come to me: How was it then when you had to let her go because Vero was going back to Germany? And when you say that she brought the magic or the medicine or the energy from the North, what does that mean, how is it different from the energy from the South?

M: It's funny because it took her days and weeks to learn what it took me years to learn. We were about to separate, and after watching people come and go, she started asking about the diet and nonchalantly acknowledged that she was ready to take medicine. I noticed in her first ceremony that she began to move the energy as I was familiar with, the way she drew the energy through the air. That took a lot of training for me, a lot of fasting. I saw her extracting the densities through burping. That surprised me, I let it be but it made me understand that I had had to put in more effort, however; she, by her lineage, by her path, by the territory where she came from, for her they were gifts or memories much clearer and fresher.

So it was there that I understood why we were destined to meet, especially considering that it would have been unfair or unnecessary for her to dedicate all that time that it took me to learn the same. Therefore, I affirm that Vero's magic was already installed and within her nature she brought the structure, the organization, the order. That allowed me to serve better. If we agreed that the temazcal (sweat lodge) or the ceremony was going to be at 12 o'clock, she was there and reminded me that the ceremony had to start at that time. I used to say "if it's not 12:30, let it flow at one o'clock." She brought order and clarity, allowing my condor heart to channel ease, joy and flow.

Bringing wisdom, it was no longer just knowledge, it was knowledge that lasts. I listened to her recommendations because I saw that it was the other side of wisdom, the mind close to the heart.

Being with her was like being with a teacher and also remembering the learnings of my first teachers from the world of plants and medicines, like magic singing. And speaking of teachers, I had an initiation ceremony with one of those I consider important in my path; I had gone with the belief that he was going to share with me fantastic, powerful, elemental things, the secrets of the cosmos. But after having spent so much time he only told me a very simple line.

"If you renounce, you win." (That's the overriding message for you, for your path).

Later when I met him again here in Cusco he completed that message,

"And you can only renounce what you know."

So all of that went back to what I was living with Vero because I had to let her go two, three, four times and I have always let her go, so when we got married, we had two ceremonies, one in front of the spirits and one in front of the law of humans.

I remember clearly that from then on I promised myself that she would always be free. I could not demand more from her than what was natural, besides she was not an object, I could not interfere in her processes, much less burden her. Instead, what I did was give her her space. The main thing she had taught me was that we could not always be together, but I could always feel her close. She was the first partner who didn't want to be with me all the time.

In my previous relationships I felt like I was being chased by the CIA, they were always checking my cell phone, finding out where I was, or where I was going. But with her everything was flowing, that gave me more freedom and confidence. There were moments when we would talk in harmony, then there would come a moment of silence that was synchronized between the two of us and she would tell me "I'm going to the patio, I want to make music ." It was a little difficult at first, until I discovered that she was very clear about time for herself. Another magnificent teaching in my world, so much so that I adopted it for when there were moments of emptiness, and nothingness.

And speaking of renunciation, she decided to walk by my side by her own decision and reminded me of how the path was at the beginning. To renounce, to let go, because in the very renunciation there is already the gain. To stop thinking about the gain and to let go naturally, as an energy of liberation, without manipulation. Since the universe would be in charge of carrying our steps towards meeting, or each one would follow his own course accepting that in eternity we would meet each other.

I remember that the first time I saw her go, consciously and from my heart I said to myself "I don't know if I will see her again, but I better let her go well and completely because otherwise I will suffer." And yes, I suffered for a while until later on I affirmed again to live my life. It’s one thing to pray and receive this message from your teacher, then to understand it through the woman with whom I shared it, but then it was another story to live the prayer of renunciation. It was really letting go of what I loved most with all my heart, the most sacred thing. It took me out of my center, to let her go. Then to see her come back because she felt safe to do so, she in her own visions, dreams, and meditations. With this, I had no doubt that there would be harmony in what we would build mutually.

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J: You chose Vero but you also saw that she was on the plant medicine path and that was important to you, right?

M: Good point. Wow Juli, you’ve touched a small fiber here, yeah. Whew. I remember I had to tread very carefully. At that time I decided not to let my guard down, because I consciously decided in all the cavities of my being, in all my bodies, that I would not force or convince her to enter the path. I saw that by nature she had the capacities and abilities of a medicine woman or shaman, but obviously it was very clear to me that it would never work if I wanted to heal her, that was not my mission. I mean I was going to be there for her any time she wanted to learn something, however, I didn't want to delude her with my perspective of the truth. And being a requirement or a condition, I decided that she would live each of her processes on her own learning terms, in her entrance to the portals, in her channels directly with the spirits.

Well I did recognize within myself the desire for her to be at my side at the altar. To want her to already be in service, to want her to already be ahead. So when I recognized that, in the silence of my being I said " she will enter alone because she is learning very well, briefly, there is no need for me to put a hand now wanting her to do it quickly, I want her to live each one of her cycles." So I feel humbled to say that it was one of the decisions that I am most grateful for, because she did not burn any of her stages, both she and I, we continue learning and perfecting methods of how to serve better. And at that time it was key, it was delicate that she was totally sure that she wanted to be a medicine woman by choice.

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J : As my travels have been in Central and South America and since there is so much commercialization of spirituality, as you could see especially in Guatemala and also here in Pisac, there is a taboo that shamanic power only runs within the blood of the people where the medicine grows. My question is about how you accepted Vero as a medicine woman despite her lineage being different…

M: Good question Juli, yes I have lived that process. What happened was that when I started to walk with Vero, being spouses and sharing the same altar, we made some trips to visit the medicine family with whom I had previously learned from here in the Sacred Valley and also in Pachacámac, Lima.

Then what processes took place? That when they met her, seeing the color of her eyes, the tone of her skin and hair, they pigeonholed her as "just another gringa", however, during and after the ceremony we had shared, it was a priceless gift to thank the transparency of this medicine family in telling me "She is a shamana." *tears*

On the other hand, there is something that later came to me in a channeling; Vero in another life had been born here in Peru, in the South, but in this life she had been born in the North to integrate another aspect of her experience here on earth. She had to learn about the mind, also to live with a family not so closely linked to spirituality and yet that was why she connected a lot with study, discipline, organization, philosophy, music.

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J: Well, in closing I would like to ask you a question that I also asked Vero, when you have disagreements with each other, when there are problems, when there are fights, how do you fight and how do you solve them?

M: I don't think we know how to fight because I don't remember any time in our relationship, none, none, none, none when we have raised our voices at each other, or when we have physically or verbally assaulted each other. It's because in my whole life I have worked on my feminine part without knowing it.

As a child I had to raise all my siblings and this made me very sensitive. When I grew up and completed the mission of taking care of my sisters, I didn't know how to be masculine. I was soft, gentle, sweet and maternal, so I understood the feminine frequency from a weak point, it wasn’t yet well channeled in me.I was a child who knew how to be a mother and when I took my place as a man, I didn’t know how to do it.

I remember that before I had a hard time approaching a woman, despite feeling feminine, I felt the emotions of not knowing how to begin, the nerves, the shyness, but nevertheless there was a point in my favor, I was not a hunter. I always entered by other methods.

Also I didn’t know how to recognize both the external and internal beauty of a woman. I saw that my friends were different, because they could tell immediately when they were attracted to a woman. But it could take me hours or days to perceive the glow of a woman, that there was beauty in her. However, I think it was a point in my favor because I began to value the inner self more in people.

I had many friends of different kinds. What saved me is that I began to discover sisters, not friends where I could see an interest, not friends with the possibility of being boyfriends but to discover friends with whom I could talk about many topics, we could sleep in the same bed and respect each other.

I saw that later on, the sisterhood transcended to the point of being able to take care of many women along the way, through the master plants. As you see now in the community, there is a very feminine energy. I saw that I could approach, touch, pray and recommend a treatment with respect, with clarity and consciously.

Perhaps I wasn't looking for this, it just came naturally, so in my relationship with Vero what I see is that there is always a silence or a deep breath in me that helps me calm down, I re-enter conversation by being conscious of my tone of voice. For example, if I have to tell her something delicate, I have learned to know how to tell her. But I’ve always known this, from the first moment I met her, from the first talks. Time went by, we were already married, and this did not change. I am also very grateful to life for that.

If in the beginning we started communicating well, now we communicate much better. If it is a delicate matter, I take the time to use the right words, if necessary to construct a poem. I take good care of her because I am with her at the altar, I cannot forget who is next to me. That has become clear to me.

I honor that there are moments without warning that I feel that energy, Juli I feel it, sometimes it is external because I charged some energy of some patient or sometimes it also comes from me something not healed, not recognized and I feel the wild force, animal...

J: Wanting to react...

M: Wanting to react and release my badly channeled energy. But I see her, I see her, I watch her, I watch her, I watch her, I watch her, and the silence, the silence, the silence, and I breathe, the energy can transform in another way, but never in a harmful way, and I hope she stays like that, I pray that it stays this way, that this remains, that this doesn’t change.

Finally I know that she is a very soft and sweet woman, I have been very patient with her, having had to let her go so many times. So that's the key, to be exactly the right soft man to be able to enter her world.

I feel that my masculinity and also our communication is based on the fact that we agree on something, we trust that as one becomes stronger, therefore more loving, and as one becomes softer, therefore more powerful. That is why I feel there is no violence. There may be other feelings, there may be stress, sadness, there may be low energy, there may be tiredness, there may be what we are used to in other relationships, but I am grateful that I have not felt that there is a brutal explosion, a fury or a volcano.

J: Thank you for sharing that. Aho. Keep it up.

M: Aho!

J: I have two more questions to conclude. The first is why is there so much distortion in the world and in one, why is so much healing needed, and how can you connect this to the concept that there are destructive entities, dark energies from outside that attach themselves to one?

M: Evil, envy, the spider, the scorpion exist. If you fall down, if you scrape yourself, if you bleed, that exists. However, there are many things in the spirit that we cannot identify. For example, since we were little we were taught to see what we can see, but we were not trained in what we cannot see. So we have been more connected with what is visible, with what is connected with the senses.

In ancient times there were no hospitals, so let's say everything boiled down to finding cures in plants. That is why if you go to the root, and you use the plants as tools, portals or keys, where they will take you is to the roots.

That is; emotions, feelings, programs, inheritances, patterns, beliefs. That is where it resolves. The word disease means lack of firmness, this tells us that if you treat it externally, in a hospital, I am not saying that this is wrong, but just take the example of how you treat it. By trying to solve outside you can only heal externally, but if you go inside, you will find everything and that is where the liberation lies.

For example, Carl Jung says "Disease is nature's effort to cure man." So let's say that diseases are presented when they have already been cured, or when they are already being released, but we have to take the last step, the consciousness, to realize where it started to heal completely.

And in that minimum percentage is where the key is. Why? The body is like a machine sending messages and sometimes alarms, and through it we will see manifestations when in your spirit you have not yet realized. And even with this assistance, you will be notified in dreams, whispered to you by spirits in the wind.

Or think of the times when you went to the market and you were called to buy that fruit, that kind of herb or that vegetable. Look at it this way, your body is telling you to look around, because that will relax you and also calm your head.

There is illness linked to a physical plane and there is also a lack of firmness, so when we do not recognize a process or we do not take care of it, it is as if something is out of adjustment internally and finally outwardly out of adjustment. The body manifests it, but it comes from within.

If you want to heal, what you need first is to understand, there is healing in comprehension. The next thing is that you have to make the changes. If you take a medicine, if you do a ceremony with a master plant, on the one hand you will receive messages, understandings, blessings, promises, everything that is related to your process. And it is important, it is beautiful, it is valuable, yes.

But on the other hand, the most important thing is what you are going to do and achieve in your life to practice all that you received as a message. It will depend on you. That is why it is more delicate to do your homework and take exactly those detailed steps of change that correspond to your transformation.

There is also sickness in this world because that makes us masters. What you do not want to do, what you think you cannot do, life will send it to you so that you can release it, so that you can learn from something in which you are not trained. But ironically, deep down it is for you. You are an expert in that.

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J: The last question is imagining that everyone is going to hear this message and be receptive, what message would you give?

M: It's been the same message for a long time (sigh):

That you can always love, even if you can't understand it.

Because love is a giant force, it is indestructible and powerful. It moves the sun and the other stars. And even if you could not come to understand the complexity of this sensation, may you always be able to love, in every moment a little bit more. And by being closer you will simply let yourself be carried away, and be pushed by love.

Over the years; from so much remembering, meditating and invoking this prayer, I was later able to add something:

Believe in no one, don’t believe in me, believe in love. May you always be able to love even if you cannot understand it.

J: Aho

M: Orale

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Septiembre 18, 2022

J: ¿Quién eras antes de conocer a Vero?

M: En ese presente, vivía en soledad, edad de sol. Había un brillo de estar atendiendo mis procesos. Había una tranquilidad dentro de mí, de estar perfeccionando métodos, estudios, entrenamientos. Estaba bien enfocado en lo mío. Pero sin embargo iba pasando el tiempo y una parte mía se iba consumiendo, llegaba una tristeza de que sí me sentía solo, extrañaba ese calorcito, ese cariño, quería encontrar el compañero, la intimidad, el amigo, abrirme así. Porque obviamente estar en el servicio, o estar en el aprendizaje de las plantas era algo hacia afuera, apoyar a alguien más, o también para retroalimentar el interior. No salía algo más para abrir mis sentimientos más profundos.

Recuerdo que se cumplió el lapso de dos años estando solo. Entre viaje y viaje, portales y demás, llegó un día que llegue a Pisac con el hermano que había decidido con firmeza cerrar el centro de medicina en Cuzco y moverlo acá a Maska. Nos quedamos en un hotel en Pisac, ya habíamos pagado la renta de la casa. Y de pronto la señora nos dice “No se pueden pasar tal fecha, esperen una semana más.” Entonces nos quedamos en un hospedaje de Pisac.

Un día salí al patio de improviso, vi que mi hermano estaba atendiendo a alguien, me aparté pues sentí el impulso de rezar y tal como lo recuerdo, así abriré fluido:

“Gran Espíritu, si en algún lugar del mundo hay alguien para mí, recuérdale que aquí la estoy esperando, que se encuentre bien y que sea como tenga que ser porque si al final tengo que quedarme solo en este camino así lo voy hacer. Seguiré al servicio, de eso no hay duda, sin embargo, si hay una compañera para mí, porfa, dale un empujoncito, que aquí hay un hombre esperándola.”

La paz me abordó, solté el rezo y no volví a pensar en ello.

Pasaron 3 días durante los cuales seguí en lo mío, bromeando y haciendo música con mi hermano en Pisac, estábamos en el hospedaje cuando me dice, “Mitsu ahora que estuve en Cusco caminando por el centro estaba cerca del Coricancha y vi al otro lado de la calle dos chicas que me llamaron la atención, vi su brillo, su magia y cruce.” Me contó que compartieron, no hablaban mucho español, hizo musiquita con ellas y las invito a venir aquí. “Vienen mañana temprano” me dijo. Inclusive bromeando me decía “Una de ellas estoy seguro que va a conectar contigo.” Wauuu. Bromeamos.

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Lo que yo sentí en estos meses que empezamos a compartir, a salir ya como novios es que ella trajo orden a mi vida. Aportó belleza, dulzura y también trajo el poder de descubrir en mí el ser real, tanto así que esos tres primeros meses, ella sólo acompañaba sin tomar medicina, observando todos los casos de las personas que estaban aquí en su proceso de tratamiento.

Sentí la energía del Norte en ella cuando me dijo lo siguiente, “Nunca te olvides de ti. Haz lo que quieras pero nunca te olvides de ti.” Aquel mensaje llegó en un momento crucial y lo recibí como venido de una abuela porque en sí era verdad. Yo estaba tan metido en el servicio que no estaba comiendo ni durmiendo bien. Recibí, escuché, lo interpreté y dije “Es verdad lo que me dice, qué buen reflejo.” No pude discutir, ni apelar con la razón. Su sabiduría a cómo vivía era preciosa, no hubo la necesidad de que entrara en mi mundo para conocer mi corazón, no tuvo que hacer mucho, simplemente mirar. Con su simpleza, así la adore.

También reconozco el desprendimiento que tuve con ella, pues por aquel entonces descubrí que disfrutaba de estar muy cerca de las personas porque sólo así podía comprender cómo era su corazón y gracias a eso, ayudarlos a descubrir esas cosas escondidas en la naturaleza de su ser. Sin embargo, con ella fue distinto, tuve que moverme totalmente diferente que con otras ex parejas, porque la veía una vez a la semana, entonces con ella tuve que ser paciente. La frecuencia era muy suave, todo despacio. Sentía que era totalmente diferente de cualquier otra mujer que había conocido. Por el nombre, por el lugar de donde venía y especialmente porque más adelante confirmé que yo había estado en relaciones de proceso o relaciones de cura pero sólo ahora estaba en una relación cósmica, un llamado del destino, un río llegando al mar, una bendición, un regalo. Además me había olvidado que la abuela Ayahuasca me había dicho “La vas a reconocer por el color de sus ojos y por su voz.”

Yendo al grano, antes de ella todo había sido muy loco, buscando siempre más y más. Queriendo continuamente sentirme el rey del mundo, buscando trascender lo desconocido. Disfrutaba de la intensidad de la soltura, de la curiosidad del gato. Pero cuando ella llegó me hizo enraizar, ella le dio forma a la idea que yo tenía de vivir. Ella embelesó todo el panorama que tenía. Eso hizo que también las ceremonias, el camino, las medicinas tuvieran un balance. Justo por las polaridades, pues precisamente una pareja en el altar hace que una ceremonia no sea ni muy dura, ni muy emotiva. Estaban las dos energías. Lo puedo describir en un plano físico. Un cuarzo cristal y la obsidiana juntas en el mismo lugar.

J: Dos preguntas me surgen. ¿Cómo fue entonces cuando te tocó soltarla porque regresaba Vero a Alemania? Y cuando dices que ella trajo la magia o la medicina o la energía del Norte, ¿qué significa eso, cómo es diferente a la energía del Sur?

M: Es curioso porque a ella le tomó días y semanas aprender lo que a mí me toco años. Ya estábamos por separarnos, y después de haber observado a las personas yendo y viniendo, empezó a preguntar por la dieta y disimuladamente reconoció que estaba lista para tomar medicina. Observe en su primera ceremonia que empezó a mover la energía tal cual como me era familiar a mí, la forma de extraer la energía a través del aire. Eso a mí me costó mucho entrenamiento, mucho ayuno. La vi extrayendo las densidades a través del eructo. Eso me sorprendió, lo deje ser pero me hizo entender que yo tuve que esforzarme más, sin embargo; ella por su linaje, por su camino, por el territorio de donde venía, para ella eran regalos o recuerdos muchos más claros y frescos.

Entonces, allí entendí porque estábamos destinados a encontrarnos, sobre todo considerando que hubiera sido injusto o innecesario que ella dedicara todo ese tiempo que me tocó a mí aprender lo mismo. Por eso, afirmo que la magia de Vero ya estaba instalada y además traía en su naturaleza la estructura, la organización, el orden. Eso me permitió servir mejor. Si acordábamos que el temazcal o la ceremonia iba a ser a las 12, ella estaba ahí y me recordaba que la ceremonia debía iniciarse a esa hora. Yo antes decía “si no es 12:30, que fluya a la una.” Ella trajo el orden y la claridad, aportándole a mi corazón de cóndor el que pudiera encauzar la soltura, la alegría y la fluidez.

Trayendo la sabiduría, ya no era solo el conocimiento, era el saber que dura. Yo escuchaba sus recomendaciones porque veía que era el otro lado de la sabiduría, la mente cerca del corazón.

Compartir con ella fue como estar con una maestra y también recordar enseñanzas de mis primeros maestros del mundo de las plantas y las medicinas, la magia cantando. Y hablando de maestros, con uno de los que considero importantes en mi camino tuve una ceremonia de iniciación; fui con la creencia de que me iba compartir cosas fantásticas, poderosas, elementales, los secretos del cosmos. Pero después de haber compartido tanto tiempo sólo me dijo una línea muy simple.

“Si renuncias, ganas.” (Ese es el mensaje primordial para ti, para tu camino.)

Más adelante cuando lo volví a encontrar aquí en Cusco completó ese mensaje,

“Y sólo puedes renunciar a lo que conoces.”

Entonces, todo eso me remontaba a lo que estaba viviendo con Vero porque la tuve que soltar, dos, tres, cuatro veces y siempre la he soltado, así que cuando nos casamos, tuvimos dos ceremonias, una frente los espíritus y otra frente la ley de los humanos.

Recuerdo con claridad de que ahí en adelante me prometí que ella siempre sería libre. Porque no le podía exigir más allá de lo natural, además ella no era un objeto, yo no podía meterme en sus procesos, ni mucho menos cargarla. En vez de eso lo que hice fue darle su espacio. Lo principal que ella me había enseñado es que no siempre podríamos estar juntos, pero siempre podría sentirla cerca. Ella fue la primera pareja que no quiso estar conmigo todo el tiempo.

En mis anteriores relaciones me sentía perseguido por la CIA, siempre estaban revisando mi celular, averiguando dónde estaba, o a dónde me iba. Pero con ella todo estaba fluyendo, eso me aportaba más libertad y confianza. Había momentos que conversábamos en armonía, luego llegaba un momento de silencio que se sincronizaba entre los dos y me decía “voy al patio, quiero hacer música .” Fue un poco difícil al principio, hasta descubrir que ella tenía muy en claro el tiempo para sí misma. Otra enseñanza magnífica en mi mundo, tanto que la adapté para cuando había momentos de vacío, y de nada.

Y hablando de la renuncia, ella decidió caminar a mi lado por decisión propia y me recordó cómo fue el camino al inicio. Renunciar, soltar, porque en la misma renuncia ya está la ganancia. Dejar de pensar en la ganancia y soltar por naturaleza, por añadidura, como energía de liberación, sin manipulación. Ya que el universo se encargaría de encauzar nuestros pasos hacia un encuentro, o cada cual seguiría su rumbo aceptando que en la eternidad nos encontraríamos. .

Me acuerdo que la primera vez que la vi ir, a conciencia y de corazón me dije “No sé si la volveré a ver, pero mejor la dejo ir bien y completamente porque sino voy a sufrir.” Y sí, sufrí un tiempo hasta que más adelante volví a afirmarme el vivir mi vida. Porque una cosa es rezar y recibir este mensaje de tu maestro, entenderlo a través de la mujer con la cual compartía, pero después era otra historia vivir el rezo de la renuncia. Realmente fue soltar lo que más amaba con todo el corazón, lo más sagrado. Entonces me sacó del centro, el dejarla ir. Luego verla volver porque se sentía segura de hacerlo, ella en sus propias visiones, sueños y meditaciones. Con esto, no tuve dudas de que habría armonía en lo que construiríamos mutuamente.

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J: ¿Escogiste a Vero pero también veías que ella estaba dentro del camino de las plantas y eso era importante para ti, no?

M: Buen punto. Wuau Juli, si llegaste a una fibrita por ahí, sí. Uuuuf. Recuerdo que tuve que andar con mucho cuidado. En ese tiempo decidí no bajar la guardia, pues decidí a conciencia en toda la cavidad de mi ser, en todos mis cuerpos, que no la obligaría o convencería de entrar en el camino. Yo veía que por naturaleza ella tenía las capacidades y habilidades de una maga o chamana, pero obviamente me quedaba muy claro de que nunca iba a funcionar si yo quería curarla, esa no era mi misión. O sea, de hecho iba estar para ella en todo momento que quisiera aprender algo, sin embargo, no quería ilusionarla con mi perspectiva de la verdad. Y pudiendo ser una exigencia o una condición, decidí que ella viviera cada uno de sus procesos en cuanto a su aprendizaje, en su entrada a los portales, en sus canales directamente con los espíritus.

Pues sí reconocí dentro mío el deseo de que ella esté a mi lado en el altar. Querer que ya estuviera en servicio, querer que ya estuviera adelante. Entonces cuando reconocí eso, en el silencio de mí ser dije “sola va entrar porque está aprendiendo muy bien, muy breve, no hay necesidad que ahora yo ponga una mano queriendo que lo haga rápido, quiero que viva cada uno de sus ciclos.” Entonces siento decir con humildad que fue una de las decisiones que más me agradezco, porque no quemó ningunas de sus etapas, tanto ella como yo, seguimos aprendiendo y perfeccionando métodos de cómo servir mejor. Y en ese momento era clave, era delicado que ella estuviera totalmente segura de querer ser una mujer medicina por decisión propia.

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J : Como mis viajes han sido por Centro y Suramérica y como hay tanta comercialización de la espiritualidad, como lo pudiste ver en Guatemala especialmente y también acá en Pisac, hay un tabú que el poder chamanico sólo corre dentro de la sangre de la gente de donde crece la medicina. Mi pregunta es sobre cómo aceptaste a Vero como una mujer medicina a pesar de su linaje siendo diferente.

M: Buena pregunta Juli, sí he vivido ese proceso. Lo que sucedió fue que cuando ya empecé a caminar con Vero, siendo esposos y compartiendo el mismo altar, hicimos algunos viajes para visitar a la familia medicina con la cual yo antes había compartido aquí en el Valle Sagrado y también en Pachacámac, Lima.

¿Luego qué procesos se presentaron? Que cuando la conocieron, al ver el color de sus ojos, el tono de su piel y cabello, la encasillaron como “una gringa más”, sin embargo, durante y después de la ceremonia que habíamos compartido, fue un regalo invaluable agradecer la transparencia de esta familia medicina al decirme “Ella es una chamana.” *lágrimas*

Por otro lado, hay algo que más adelante me llegó en una canalización; Vero en otra vida había nacido aquí en Perú, en el sur, pero en esta vida había nacido en el Norte para integrar otro aspecto de su experiencia aquí en la tierra. Tenía que aprender de la mente, asimismo convivir con una familia no tan ligada a la espiritualidad y sin embargo fue por eso que conectó mucho con el estudio, la disciplina, la organización, la filosofía, la música.

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J: Bueno, ya para ir cerrando te hago una pregunta que también le hice a Vero…

¿Cuándo tienen desacuerdos el uno con el otro, cuando hay problemas, cuando hay peleas, como pelean y cómo resuelven?

M: Yo creo que no sabemos pelear porque no recuerdo ninguna vez en nuestra relación, ninguna, ninguna, ninguna vez en que nos hemos levantado la voz, o que de pronto nos hayamos agredido físicamente o verbalmente. Es porque en toda mi vida ya estuve trabajando la parte femenina sin saberlo.

Como niño me tocó criar a todos mis hermanos y esto me hizo muy sensible. Cuando crecí y culminé la misión de cuidar a mis hermanos, no sabía cómo ser masculino. Era suave, amable, dulce y maternal, entonces entendía la frecuencia femenina desde un punto débil, todavía no estaba bien canalizado. Era un niño que sabía ser madre y cuando adoptó su lugar como hombre, no sabía cómo hacerlo.

Recuerdo que antes me costó acercarme a la mujer, a pesar de sentirme femenino, sentir las emociones de no saber cómo entrar, los nervios, la timidez, pero sin embargo había un punto a favor, no era un cazador. Siempre entré por otros métodos.

Además no sabía reconocer la belleza tanto externa como interna de una mujer. Veía que mis amigos eran diferentes, pues se daban cuenta de inmediato cuando una mujer los atraía. Pero a mí me podía costar horas o días percibir el brillo de una mujer, que había belleza en ella. Sin embargo, creo que fue un punto a favor porque empecé a valorar más en las personas, el interior.

Tuve muchos amigos y amigas de diferentes clases. En cuanto a mis amigas lo que me salvó es que empecé a descubrir hermanas, no amigas donde pudiera ver un interés, no amigas con la posibilidad de ser novios sino descubrir amigas con las cual podía conversar de muchos temas, podíamos dormir en la misma cama y respetarnos.

Vi que más adelante, la hermandad trascendió al grado de poder atender en el camino, a través de las plantas maestras, a muchas mujeres. Cómo ves ahora en la comunidad, hay una energía bastante femenina. Entonces vi que podía acercarme, tocar, rezar y recomendar un tratamiento con respeto, con claridad y a conciencia.

Quizás esto no lo estaba buscando, así se dio por naturaleza, entonces en mi relación con Vero lo que veo es que siempre hay en mí un silencio o un respiro profundo y me sereno, reingreso siendo consciente con el tono de voz. Por ejemplo, si tengo que decirle algo delicado, he aprendido a saber cómo decírselo. Pero lo he aprendido desde siempre, desde el primer momento en que la conocí, desde las primeras charlas. Inclusive pasó el tiempo, ya nos habíamos casado, y esto no cambió. A eso también le agradezco mucho la vida.

Si en el principio empezamos comunicándonos bien ahora nos comunicamos mucho mejor. Si es un asunto delicado, me doy el tiempo para si es necesario construir una poesía, usar las palabras indicadas. La cuido mucho porque estoy con ella en el altar, no puedo olvidarme quién está a mi lado. Eso me ha quedado claro. Honro que haya momentos sin previo aviso que siento esa energía, Juli la siento, a veces es externa porque cargué alguna energía de algún paciente o a veces también viene de mí algo no curado, no reconocido y siento la fuerza salvaje, animal…

J: El querer reaccionar…

M: El querer reaccionar y desfogar mi energía mal canalizada. Pero la veo, la veo, la observo, la observo, la observo, y el silencio, el silencio, el silencio, y ya respiro, ya se puede ir de otra forma, pero jamás de una manera dolorosa, y espero que siga así, rezo por qué siga así, que permanezca, que eso no cambie.

Finalmente sé que ella es una mujer muy suave y dulce, le he tenido mucha paciencia al haber tenido que soltarla tantas veces. Entonces he allí la clave, ser exactamente un hombre suave para poder entrar en su mundo.

Siento que mi masculinidad y también nuestra comunicación se basa en que estamos de acuerdo en algo, confiamos en que mientras uno se hace más fuerte, por tanto más amoroso, y mientras uno sea más suave, por lo mismo más poderoso. Por eso siento que no hay violencia. Puede haber otros sentimientos, puede haber estrés, tristeza, puede haber baja energía, puede haber cansancio, puede haber lo acostumbrado en otras relaciones, pero agradezco que no he sentido que haya una explosión brutal, una furia o un volcán.

J: Gracias por compartir eso. Ahó. Que así siga.

M: ¡Ahó!

J: Tengo dos preguntas más para concluir. La primera es ¿por qué hay tanta distorsión en el mundo y en uno, porque se necesita tanta sanción y cómo puedes conectar esto con el concepto de que existen entidades destructivas, energías oscuras de afuera que se apegan a uno?

M: El mal, la envidia, la araña, el escorpión existen. El que te caigas, te raspeso sangres, eso existe. Sin embargo, hay muchas cosas en el espíritu que no podemos identificar. Por ejemplo, desde pequeños nos enseñaron a ver lo que podemos ver, pero no nos entrenaron en lo que no podemos ver. Entonces hemos estado más conectados con lo visible, con lo que está conectado con los sentidos.

En la antigüedad no habían hospitales, entonces digamos todo se resumía en encontrar cura en las plantas. Es por eso mismo que si tu vas a la raíz, y usas las plantas como herramientas, portales o llaves, adonde te van a llevar es a las raíces.

Es decir; emociones, sentimientos, programas, herencias, patrones, creencias. Es ahí que se resuelve. La palabra enfermedad significa falta de firmeza, esto nos dice que si la tratas de manera externa, en un hospital, no digo que esto sea mal, pero solo tomar el ejemplo de cómo la tratas. Al intentar resolver afuera podrás curar sólo de manera externa, pero si tu vas al interior, encontrarás todo y allí es que radica la liberación.

Por ejemplo, Carl Jung dice “La enfermedad es el esfuerzo que hace la naturaleza por curar al hombre.” Entonces digamos que las enfermedades se presentan cuando ya se han curado, o cuando ya se están liberando, pero hay que dar el último paso, la conciencia, darnos cuenta de dónde empezó para sanar completamente.

Y en ese mínimo porcentaje es donde está la clave. ¿Por qué? El cuerpo es como una maquinaria enviado mensajes y a veces alarmas, y a través de él veremos manifestaciones cuando en tu espíritu aún no te has dado cuenta. E incluso con esta asistencia, serás notificado en sueños, te lo susurraron los espíritus en el viento.

O reparas en las veces que ibas al mercado y te llamaba comprar esa fruta, ese tipo de hierba o aquella verdura. Observalo de esta forma, tu cuerpo te estaba diciendo mira busca por ahí, porque eso te va relajar y también te va calmar la cabeza.

Existe la enfermedad ligada a un plano físico y asimismo existe falta de firmeza, entonces cuando no reconocemos un proceso o no lo atendemos, es como que algo se desajusta interiormente y finalmente se desajusta exteriormente. El cuerpo lo manifiesta, pero viene de adentro.

Si tu quieres curar, lo que necesitas primero es comprender, en la comprensión está la curación. Lo siguiente es que hay que hacer los cambios. Si tú tomas una medicina, haces una ceremonia con una planta maestra, por un lado te van a venir los mensajes, las comprensiones, las bendiciones, las promesas, todo aquello que está relacionado con tu proceso. Y es importante, es hermoso, es valioso, sí.

Pero por el otro lado, lo más importante es lo que tú vas hacer y lograr en tu vida para practicar todo esto que recibiste como mensaje. Dependerá de ti. Por eso es más delicado hacer la tarea y dar exactamente esos pasos de cambios en los detalles que corresponden para hacer que tu vida cambie.

También hay enfermedad en este mundo, porque eso nos vuelve maestros. Lo que no quieres hacer, lo que crees que no puedes hacer, la vida te lo va mandar para que tú puedas liberarlo, para que tú puedas aprender de algo en que no estás entrenado. Pero curiosamente en el fondo es para ti. Eres experto en eso.

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J: La última pregunta es imaginando qué todo el mundo va escuchar este mensaje y están receptivos ¿qué mensaje darías?

M: Hace mucho tiempo es el mismo mensaje, (suspiro): Que siempre pudieras amar, aunque no lo pudieras entender.

Porque el amor es una fuerza gigante, es indestructible y poderosa. Mueve el Sol y las demás estrellas. Y aunque no pudieras llegar a comprender la complejidad de esta sensación, que siempre pudieras amar, en cada momento un poquito más. Y al estar más cerca simplemente te dejarás llevar, y serás empujado por el amor.

Con los años; de tanto recordar, meditar e invocar este rezo, más adelante pude agregar algo: No creas en nadie, no creas en mí pero sí creer en el amor. Que siempre puedas amar aunque no lo puedas entender.

J: Ahó

M: Orale